Two Fools on the Road to Emmaus Podcast – Continuing from last week, Mike and Mark discuss some examples of what institution does to our hearts, and how quickly we become the shepherd who sacrifices the lost sheep, rather than retrieving it, like the good shepherd in the parable.

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Two Fools on the Road to Emmaus Podcast – This week the guys enter into a wide ranging conversation starting with their reminiscences of Sacramento, that scatters into thoughts on intermediaries, suffering, institution, and even a clichéd metaphor about butterflies.

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